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We all know what it feels like to be overlooked, dismissed, or underestimated. But what if the very places the world counts you out are the places God is preparing to call you up?

In this episode, I sit down with bestselling author Mary Marantz to talk about her new book Underestimated and the power of God’s hand in the stories others might write off.

If you’ve ever felt unseen, unqualified, or “not enough,” this conversation will remind you that while the world may underestimate you—God never does.