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Howard Berger, The modern day Godfather of special effects makeup, joins Meagan and Viv to talk through how he leads with trust, offering other artist a space to develop their own methods as well as big opportunities to co-head departments beside him. He walks us set by step, through the application process of some of his most iconic makeups. Howard explains how his wife, who is a fine artist, has been a critical part of fine tuning his discipline. He offers up his opinion on why the latest generation of young artist coming in struggle to solve problems and how that has negatively impacted the entire industry. This episode holds nothing back as they talk through the strike, HR being weaponized, AI’s inevitable and necessary takeover, ageism, diversity hires and why Howard loves hiring moms.