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Jesse and Clare ask how Artificial Intelligence is effecting how we teach and talk about photography. In this episode, they are joined by artist and educator, Dr. Wendy McMurdo, and Katy Hundertmark who is managing editor and curator of Foam in Amsterdam.

In preparation for this episode, we had a play with our profile picture using StableDiffusionWeb.com It used c. 0.000042 KWh of electricity to produce. 

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Further reading and works discussed in the episode: 

FOAM International Photography Magazine no.66. Missing Mirror: Photography through the Lens of A.I.FOAM: Amsterdam.

Future's Institutes https://efi.ed.ac.uk/

Linn Hershman Leeson https://www.lynnhershman.com/

Gem Fletcher.  ‘Lynn Hershman Leeson’ in FOAM pp.129 -144

‘Interview: Hito Steyerl and Noa Levin’ in FOAM pp.12-17

Shannon Vallor. 2024. The AI Mirror: How to Reclaim Our Humanity in an Age of Machine Thinking. Oxford: Oxford University Press

ECAL/ University of Art and Design Lausanne https://ecal.ch/en/school/network/people/milo-keller/

Justine Kurland. 2022. Scum Manifesto. London: MACK

Marketa Kinterova https://marketakinterova.cz/?portfolio=public-space-%e2%80%93-workshop

 Ahmet Polat. Processing 

 Fred Ritchin. 2025. The Synthetic Eye: Photography Transformed in the Age of AI. London: Thames & Hudson

World Press Photo https://www.worldpressphoto.org/news/2023/could-an-ai-image-win-old-version

Xin Li - Magic Wand Tool https://www.foam.org/talent-2024/artist/xin-li

Aperture no. 257 ‘Image Worlds to Come: Photography & AI. Aperture: New York

Photoworks Annual 31. ‘Multi Multi’. Photoworks: Brighton.

Naomi M. Elcott & Tim Trombley. 2025. ‘How Can Image-Makers Open Up AI’s Mysterious “Black Box” https://aperture.org/editorial/how-can-image-makers-open-up-ais-mysterious-black-box/