In this conversation, Stephen and Janelle discuss their banjos (the things that bring them joy and meaning in life) and the importance of pursuing those passions. They also explore the challenges of finding fulfilling work and the role of human connection in the job search process. They emphasize the need to be open to opportunities, build relationships, and redefine how we define ourselves and others based on our jobs. The conversation ends with a call to skip small talk and focus on what brings us joy.