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In this conversation, the hosts delve into the controversial topic of the deep state, exploring its implications, historical context, and the shifting political landscape. They discuss the influence of unelected bureaucrats, the role of the Department of Homeland Security, and the public's perception of law enforcement. The conversation also touches on the impact of technology on memory and the challenges of addressing the deep state in modern governance. In this conversation, the speakers delve into the complexities of government classification, the influence of the deep state, and the power dynamics within the political system. They discuss the role of bureaucracy, the military-industrial complex, and public perception of the deep state, highlighting the challenges of accountability and transparency in government operations.takeaways