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This conversation dives deep into the story of Edward Snowden, discussing his actions, motivations, and the impact of his revelations. The hosts express different perspectives on Snowden, with some considering him a hero and others viewing him as a traitor. They also explore topics such as government surveillance, privacy, and the erosion of civil liberties. The conversation touches on red flag laws, the role of whistleblowers, and the importance of protecting individual rights. Overall, the hosts emphasize the need for a balance between security and personal freedom. In this conversation, Steve, Jerry and Clay discuss the surveillance programs exposed by Edward Snowden and the implications for privacy and freedom. They explore the extent of government surveillance, including programs like PRISM, Upstream, and X-key Score. They also touch on the issue of taxation without representation in Washington DC and the debate over whether DC should become a state. The conversation highlights the need for transparency and accountability in government surveillance and the potential abuse of power. The hosts express their concerns about the erosion of privacy and the importance of protecting individual rights.