In this Episode we sat down with my friend Steve Pyfrom (Head of Strategy and Sales at the Nine)
Steve's a former pastor based in Portland Oregon, and we talked about:
Our shared love for Portland,
Steve’s relationship to church now that he’s not in ministry,
His long, drawn out journey of leaving ministry and the pain that followed,
How easy it is use ministry to justify your own ego,
and the toll ministry takes on your family.
