In this episode of the Leading Complexity podcast, hosts Tomas Björkholm and Michael Göthe sit down with renowned systems thinker Peter Senge, author of The Fifth Discipline. As they delve into the complexities of leadership, Peter shares insights on system awareness, vulnerability, and the nature of complex challenges. Throughout the episode, Tomas and Michael engage in a thoughtful dialogue, unpacking Peter's reflections on how leaders can navigate the unpredictable and interdependent world we live in. They also explore powerful stories, including one about a CEO's honest and vulnerable approach to leadership that led to unexpected success. Join the conversation as they explore how understanding systems and embracing uncertainty can lead to more effective leadership in today's complex world.