In this conversation, Mauri DiMeo and Dave Searle discuss the intricacies of mountain guiding, the journey to becoming an IFMGA certified guide, and the differences in guiding standards across countries. They explore the importance of mentorship, the challenges of balancing social media presence with authenticity, and the shift in focus from gear to risk management in outdoor activities. The discussion also covers the vision behind the Oak app, user experience, skill assessment, and the personal experiences of balancing family life with outdoor adventures.