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Mike and Matthew are talking about the idea of ruling 'in' good information as well as ruling 'out' bad information. 

The fire tornado: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_whirl

Mike's first novel, The Dinner Party is coming out November 4, 2025 but is available for preorder now. You can also download the first chapter for free! You can find both the preorder link and the first chapter at ⁠⁠https://www.michaelchristophercole.com⁠⁠  

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