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Andrew McLuhan joins the podcast to discuss his journey into his family’s intellectual legacy and the founding of the McLuhan Institute. He reflects on his unconventional path—growing up in Toronto, later moving to the countryside, and receiving an informal education through his family’s artistic and intellectual circles. Andrew shares how he came to embrace his grandfather Marshall McLuhan’s work and the contradictions that shaped his perspective.

In this conversation, we explore Marshall McLuhan’s evolving views on media, his collaboration with his son Eric, and the enduring relevance ofthe medium is the message. Andrew unpacks the difference between media literacy and media ecology, the significance ofCity as Classroom for educators, and the role of technology in shaping thought and behavior. He also discusses the cognitive benefits of handwriting, the need for greater awareness around technology’s impact, and the urgency of rethinking education to give students more agency.


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Timestamps:

[00:00:00] Founding the McLuhan Institute
[00:00:50] Introduction to the Podcast and Guest
[00:03:05] Jason’s Personal Connection to the McLuhan Family
[00:06:51] Keeping Technology "Weird" and Its Role in Daily Life
[00:08:33] Andrew’s Late Entry into the McLuhan Tradition
[00:10:26] Growing Up a McLuhan: Toronto to Rural Life
[00:16:15] Early Learning and Educational Rebellion
[00:18:36] Discovering a Passion for Learning Through Experience
[00:23:05] Marshall McLuhan’s Shift from Literature to Media Studies
[00:28:48] The Birth of Media Studies and McLuhan’s Contributions
[00:36:38] Marshall and Eric McLuhan’s Collaboration
[00:42:44]Laws of Media: A Turning Point in the McLuhan Legacy
[00:49:07] “The Medium is the Message” Explained
[00:52:45] Beyond Content: The Structural Effects of Media
[00:56:26] Media Literacy vs. Media Ecology
[01:00:27] Teaching Media in Schools: TheCity as Classroom Model
[01:05:31] The Smartphone Exercise: A Classroom Example
[01:09:59] Writing vs. Typing: The Cognitive Effects
[01:16:14] Regulating Technology Like the FDA
[01:25:31] The Future of Media Regulation
[01:28:54] Can Schools Lead the Way in Media Awareness?
[01:29:35] The “Magic Wand” Question: Rethinking Education
[01:33:29] Learning as a Subversive Activity
[01:36:48] Final Thoughts and Recommendations