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Shahjehan Saleem is a fashion writer featured regularly in Diva magazine, he is a teacher of media sciences at Szabist, a university in Karachi, he is also a creative associate with 'talking point.' We spoke about the pornification of the societal gaze, about the taboos around conversations concerning mental health, about the beautifully terrifying world of Pakistani fashion, about the 'casting couch' culture in the entertainment industry, about our societal inclination towards personalities instead of art, and about the primacy of cultural norms about beauty in the context of who is allowed to be our hero.