Ali Abbas Naqvi and Basit Naqvi are writers that have worked on projects like 'Laal Kabootar,' multiple videos for Teeli, and the upcoming web series based in and on Liyari. We speak about a writer's plight, about the legitimacy afforded to the craft of writing, about the lack of appreciation afforded to the process in Pakistan, and about the way forward for writers in particular and artists more generally.