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Episode Overview

This conversation is for artists and music industry professionals who want to build sustainable careers while staying true to their creative work.

It starts with the experience a lot of musicians know well: touring hard, putting records out, and working to balance passion and practicality. We talk honestly about how streaming changed the math & why touring feels unnavoidable.

From there, the conversation widens. We dig into what it actually means to be an artist in the digital age, where access is easy but attention is scarce, and where creative identity can get flattened into content. There’s no pretending the system is fair. But there is clarity about how it works, and what artists can realistically control.

We also spend time on AI, not in an abstract way, but in terms of what it feels like to watch the market get flooded with “good enough” music and art. We talk about where that leaves human creators, how ideas of ownership are shifting, and why authorship and trust are becoming more important, not less.

This isn’t about hacks or shortcuts. It’s about staying in the work long enough to matter, learning the business side without losing yourself, and figuring out how to make a life in art that doesn’t quietly grind you down.

Who This Episode Is For

• Artists trying to make sense of their finances without giving up the work
• Musicians who love touring but are tired of pretending it’s sustainable
• Industry folks who see the cracks and still want to help build something better
• Creators who feel pressure to become brands, platforms, and products overnight
• Anyone wondering how AI changes the future without replacing the human part

Core Takeaways

• If the math feels off, you’re not imagining it
  Streaming exposure and financial stability are not the same thing.
• Touring keeps careers alive and burns people out
  Both can be true at the same time.
• The digital era didn’t kill art, it changed the rules
  Visibility is easy. Staying distinct is the hard part.
• AI raises real questions, not just technical ones
  About authorship, ownership, and what we actually value.
• Understanding business isn’t selling out
  It’s how artists protect their time, energy, and future.
• Direct relationships matter more than platforms
  Audiences you can reach yourself are the most reliable asset you have.

Chapters

00:00 – Artistic Identity and the Reality of Making a Living

08:51 – When Touring Stops Adding Up

17:01 – Career Pivots and Hard Decisions

22:06 – Making Art in the Digital Age

31:46 – AI and Creative Saturation

38:20 – What AI Means for Music Careers

47:26 – Creativity, Business, and Survival

55:54 – Ownership, IP, and What Comes Next