In this episode of the Stageable State of the Stage podcast, Benjamin Reed and Kelly Burdick discuss the evolution of the performing arts, Kelly's transition from theater to agriculture, and the importance of collaboration in fostering creativity. They explore the differences between nonprofit and for-profit models in the arts, the role of donations, and the changing landscape of philanthropy. The conversation emphasizes the need for a unified approach in the arts community to navigate challenges and promote sustainability. In this conversation, Kelly and Benjamin explore the complexities of arts organizations, focusing on the economic disparities between small and large entities, the challenges faced by administrative staff, and the need for capacity building. They discuss the importance of investing in people, the impact of union constraints, and the necessity of rethinking traditional models in the arts. The conversation also highlights the decline of arts education and its implications for future participation in the arts.