Dr Carl Ward is one of the most influential voices in national education. He advises Number 10's policy unit, chairs the Foundation for Education Development and has run City Learning Trust in Stoke-on-Trent for close to 15 years, making him one of the longest serving trust CEOs in the country. In this episode, Carl argues that the Secretary of State should govern the education system rather than lead it, explains why democracy struggles with the kind of long-term planning that education needs, and makes the case that despite all the complexity we layer on top, education remains fundamentally simple: a single act between a child and an adult.