Marlon Weems and Stephanie Gerber Wilson discuss a range of topics including this history of racialized America, how aggressive federalism might work, state power, and the challenges facing the Democratic Party; ie they don't know how to wield power. They delve into the historical context of racism and slavery, interrogate the concept of whiteness, and explore the implications of these issues in contemporary society. The dialogue emphasizes the need for a more assertive political strategy and the importance of understanding the historical roots of current social dynamics.