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Former pastor and retired FBI agent Eric Robinson has lived two very different lives—and discovered they weren't as different as they seemed.

After spending more than a decade in Christian ministry, Eric left the pulpit and joined the FBI, where he spent over twenty years investigating drug cartels, Chicago gangs, crimes against children, financial fraud, terrorism, and national security threats.

In this fascinating conversation, Eric shares stories from some of his most memorable cases, including bringing down a notorious financial fraudster, investigating human trafficking, working counterterrorism operations, and uncovering the heartbreaking realities behind many criminal cases. Along the way, he reflects on the lessons he learned about trauma, justice, redemption, and the complexities of human behavior.

Perhaps most surprisingly, Eric explains how his years in ministry helped him understand the very people he would later spend his career pursuing—and why the biggest difference between those seeking redemption and those headed toward destruction often comes down to one simple choice: the willingness to change.

This episode is a powerful exploration of faith, humanity, resilience, and the stories that exist behind every headline.

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