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T. Michael McNulty, S.J. joins to discuss ethics in real estate, immigration policy, and educating leaders who recognize that small steps can have big impacts. The conversation touches on the important role of zoning boards, the case for open immigration, and the value of good trouble to effect change.

His article "The 7 political works of mercy Catholics should practice in a democracy" is available at America Magazine (https://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2023/12/22/political-works-mercy-democracy-246688/).