Living Well with Technology. In Episode 27 of the Human Pulse Podcast, hosts Anne Trager and Fabrice Neuman shift from practical tech advice to a philosophical discussion on the evolving relationship between humans and machines. Inspired by the work of philosopher Jean-Michel Besnier, they explore whether our reliance on intelligent technology enriches our lives or causes us to surrender our humanity. The hosts debate the nuances of AI as a tool versus a crutch, citing examples of generative AI errors in journalism. They also break down psychiatrist Serge Tisseron’s four stages of our relationship with objects—viewing them as servants, witnesses, accomplices, and emotional partners. The conversation concludes with a look at the dangers of anthropomorphizing AI and the transhumanist drive to become "repairable objects" in the quest for immortality.
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Recording Date: Nov. 16th, 2025
Hosts: Anne Trager – Human Potential & Executive Performance Coach & Fabrice Neuman – Tech Consultant for Small Businesses
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Fabrice Neuman
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Find out more: https://www.pro-fusion-conseils.fr
Anne Trager
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Resources & Links
Newspaper Issues Apology As Readers Can’t Believe What Made It Into Print (Newsweek)
https://www.newsweek.com/newspaper-issues-apology-readers-cant-believe-print-11047759
What happens when we marry brains to machines? (David Eagleman)
https://eagleman.com/podcast/what-happens-when-we-marry-brains-to-machines-with-sergey-stavisky/
How hackers turned Claude Code into a semi-autonomous cyber-weapon (Ben Dickson’s Substack)
https://bdtechtalks.substack.com/p/how-hackers-turned-claude-code-into
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Chapters
(00:00) Intro
(00:29) The Philosophical Question: Are We Becoming Objects?
(01:35) The Shovel Analogy and the Pakistani AI Newspaper Error
(04:17) Stage 1: Technology as a Servant
(05:52) Stage 2: Technology as a Witness
(10:33) Stages 3 & 4: Technology as Accomplice and Emotional Partner
(12:43) The Anthropomorphism Trap
(16:22) From Adapting to Machines to Machines Adapting to Us
(22:15) Transhumanism and the Quest to Be Repairable
(24:10) Conclusion
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