Sam and Amy kick off a new format — breaking down the biggest Epstein-related news from the past 24 hours, rapid-fire.
The State of the Union confrontation. More than a dozen Epstein victims, including Virginia Giuffre's brother and sister-in-law, were invited by Democratic lawmakers to attend Trump's State of the Union address. Sam and Amy discuss whether Trump will acknowledge them or simply look away — and note that Pam Bondi has already set that precedent.
Norway's former Prime Minister attempts suicide. Jagland, who is under investigation in connection with Epstein, attempted to take his own life after learning he was being investigated. Amy reflects on what this moment means for the victims who have spent 20 years fighting to stay alive while waiting for any accountability at all.
Following Epstein's money — and who's blocking the trail. Nearly all of Epstein's fortune is now believed to trace back to Les Wexner. Amy explains that the DOJ could subpoena every relevant bank record in a matter of days — and almost certainly already has them. The question is why they won't release them. She also revisits the Leon Black "tax advice" payments of $20 million a year, calling it what it is: not a real thing.
Columbus, Ohio keeps delivering. A newly opened hospital wing in Columbus bears Les Wexner's name — and its OB-GYN department is named after Dr. Mark Landon, an OB-GYN who was on Epstein's retainer at $35,000 per quarter. Nurses at Ohio State are calling for Wexner's name to be removed. The doctors are not.
Fifty pages the public may never see. A woman interviewed by the FBI in 2019 accused Trump of forcing her to perform oral sex at age 14. Her 50-page FBI interview — covering abuse by both Epstein and Trump — has not been released. Sam asks the question everyone is asking: what would it actually take to get these files out?
Who polices the DOJ? Amy breaks down the uncomfortable legal reality: the DOJ is currently violating the federal law requiring release of the Epstein files, and there is effectively no mechanism to hold them accountable. No president from either party has meaningfully pushed for full disclosure — and Amy is increasingly skeptical any ever will, given how many powerful people the files likely implicate.
The episode closes with a preview of tomorrow: Sam and Amy will read some of the more explicit accusations from the files without commentary, and dig into a report that Virginia Giuffre recently traveled to Pacific Palisades to confront a woman she says trafficked and assaulted her.
