In this episode, we delve into the analysis of two recent terrorist attacks in the United States, exploring the potential connections and shared motivations behind them. We discuss the attackers' backgrounds, the implications of using the Turo app to rent cars, and the alarming possibility of radicalization within the military. Additionally, we examine societal issues related to veterans' support, the unintended consequences of incentive systems, and the role of media and political rhetoric in shaping public perception and potential violence. With references to various high-profile responses, including those from Elon Musk and Donald Trump, this thought-provoking discussion encourages viewers to critically assess the moral and ethical landscapes we navigate.
Malcolm Collins: [00:00:00] Hello, Simone! I am going to, in this episode, be going over the two recent terrorist attacks within the United States. I will be arguing, I think very compellingly, that they are a linked terrorist plot. Both ISIS? Potentially, yeah.
So, it might have been one was ISIS and the other was like an anti Trump, anti Elon guy and they just got on together and decided to link them. So, just for evidence, they were both soldiers at Fort Bragg no! The attacks happened within three hours of each other. What?! Both of these attacks used the Turo app to rent the cars.
What?! Okay. That's like a coincidence to you.
Simone Collins: It's a little,
they're there. The red yarn connecting these two attacks on our board of conspiracies is very
Malcolm Collins: thick. It's a very, no, I think it's implausible. Like the using the same app. Turo is [00:01:00] not like a mainstream app. Who uses
Simone Collins: that? It doesn't show up on you and I run a travel management business. We know the major car rental apps.
I've never heard of this. I've never heard
Malcolm Collins: of it either. So I, I and that they're both at the same base and keep in mind, this base was States away from where the attacks happened.
Yeah.
Right. You know, so, were they both active?
Simone Collins: It would be extra bad. If people in active military are being radicalized by foreign forces, really, really bad look. And we've already received word from people who listen to the podcast, for example, no, who've read our books talking about problems within the U. S. military, which is sobering.
And this is from commissioned officers. If we're adding this to the existing list of problems, which did not include this as an issue that people were hearing from or reporting, that is very scary. I'm very [00:02:00] concerned.
Malcolm Collins: The new Orleans Muslim one who connected himself to ISIS was not active. The Tesla one was active. He was a, , army special forces operation master Sergeant, a senior enlisted rank in the green Berets. And he was on approved leave from his assignment in Germany at the time of the incident.
Simone Collins: No. Okay. Thank goodness. All right. I'm taking that off My list of active concerns though, of course if ex military people are being radicalized It's a testament to the extent to which we don't support military and and I don't just mean that in terms of the department Of veterans affairs.
I also mean that in the context of larger society Promoting and helping people who are ex military. Remember when I worked for that one company, we won't mention, and I would, I was helping them recruit sales team and some of our best candidates were ex military and they just got passed over consistently for grads of prestigious universities instead.
Even though these ex military people were [00:03:00] 10 times more competent. What makes you feel
Malcolm Collins: any better? Ex military guys have a huge advantage for government jobs. Yes,
Simone Collins: of course. And then for, if you're doing procurement, if you start your own business, yeah, they have some advantages. I just. I do feel like society broadly could do better for people who serve our country.
Malcolm Collins: I don't know. The government jobs thing is a pretty big one. The government needs to like create an argument if they're hiring somebody over a military personnel. Ex military personnel, that's a pretty powerful thing to have under your belt.
Simone Collins: That is, I guess, if you want to keep working for the government, which not everyone does.
Malcolm Collins: True. All right. So, let's hear about the responses that there's been to this, by the way. Okay. Elon's is my favorite, the gist of what Elon said was at making fun of the person who did it because he said he was an idiot for using a Tesla truck because it contained the blast. And they're built so strong as an opportunity to advertise his, his trucks. But what was funny is I read that and I was like, Oh my God, what a ham.
And then it turns out that the investigators are also [00:04:00] saying actually it did contain the blast. And if it had been another type of car, there would have been other casualties. So, okay. Elon. I love Trump's take here is. Our country is a disaster, a laughing stock all over the world. This is what happens when you have open borders was weak, ineffective and virtually non existent leadership.
And then he goes on a rant about how the, you know, the DOJ and FBI and democratic states have been investigating him was like false crimes instead of working on real criminals. And it's like, I mean, you know, kind of true. . They also currently believe that there were other people involved in this.
So
Simone Collins: other people planted, or I'm assuming incendiary or explosive devices around. New Orleans and planned on detonating them, but then chickened out last minute.
Malcolm Collins: Or didn't also a remote control was found inside the car. The one in, in the New Orleans case which it's not clear if it was meant to drive the car or meant to set off [00:05:00] explosives, but it seems like there was a last minute change of plans or something because the other devices didn't go off and that one wasn't used remotely.
Also here is a quote, we do not believe that Jabbar was solely responsible in quote. Said the assistant special agent to the FBI, New Orleans field office. We're aggressively running down every lead, including those of his known associates.
Note.
A piece by the New York times this morning has gone back on this claim, arguing that he did act alone.
Simone Collins: Yikes. Oh gosh. So there are other people at large who have been involved in this.
And I mean, collectively across these two incidents, more than 20 people are dead. I mean, this is not, oh, okay. Wow.
Malcolm Collins: So
Simone Collins: this is why we don't go outside. Okay. This is why
Malcolm Collins: we have a Matthew Livens burger. Or something. So this was the guy who did the attack [00:06:00] on Trump Tower. Oh, this, this is the Elon tweet.
I found it. The evil knuckleheads picked the wrong vehicle for a terrorist attack. Cybertruck actually contained the explosion and directed the blast upwards. So anyway, he set off the car in, in front of a Trump establishment, specifically the Trump International Hotel in Las Vegas Boulevard. I don't think that there's any hiding that this was an attack directed at Trump and Elon.
Quick note here, other new information. It appears that he had shot himself before the car exploded.
And with the other attack, a Ford car was used, which to me indicates he's trying to attack like American manufacturing symbols of America. He had an ISIS flag in, in the back of the car. This was in the Louisiana one. He had been a Muslim most of his life, but was raised a Christian. And he did a video saying that he was doing it for ISIS right before the attack.
So, with that guy, we know his motivation was ISIS and radicalization. Was the [00:07:00] other guy we don't know. We do know that a person that he was married to, because like another weird thing about these guys is there's no social media footprint or like nothing we can find, but we can find, we can find Sarah Linsberger.
So this wo…
