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Find Phil on Instagram, Twitter, watch his presentation "How the Global Drinks Business Works", and listen to his podcast conversation about NA spirits, which he says are Veblen goods (aka luxury goods).

Old Duff Genever is made at the Herman Jansen distillery, which has operated since 1777.

"Delightes for Ladies" by Sir Hugh Plat

Phil mentions attending a Beefsteak at Gage & Tollner

If you want to know what's going to happen in spirits and cocktails, read beer books from 10-20 years ago like Beer Blast and Grit & Grain.