“Mythology is not just humanity’s fluff […] it’s: do you dare to understand how things have been coded from first principles?”
-Rayner Jae Liu
In a time where chaos is the word on everyone’s lips, Andy sits down with Rayner Jae Liu in a vast and reflective conversation about how humans make meaning when our familiar paradigms begin to crumble.
Rayner is an evolutionary entrepreneur, executive coach, cultural psychologist, and systems strategist creating frameworks, platforms, and ecosystems that bridge inner transformation and systemic change for a complex age. He is a practitioner who moves between worlds: international relations and geopolitics, leadership development, systems and complexity theory, and mythological and archetypal thinking. In this episode, he invites us to reconsider chaos as a necessary force of disruption, revealing where our systems are no longer aligned with reality.
Together, Andy and Rainer explore what it means to live at the “edge” of dominant paradigms, asking how myth functions as a form of cultural source code, shaping how societies see, speak, and act. Drawing on Greek mythology (particularly the goddess Eris), Taoist ideas of balance and rebalancing, and lived experiences within global political systems, this conversation probes how sacred disruption can catalyze discernment, transformation, and new forms of leadership.
"Fire" by Judy Brown
What makes a fire burn
is space between the logs,
a breathing space.
Too much of a good thing,
too many logs
packed in too tight
can douse the flames
almost as surely
as a pail of water would.
So building fires
requires attention
to the spaces in between,
as much as to the wood.
When we are able to build
open spaces
in the same way
we have learned
to pile on the logs,
then we can come to see how
it is fuel, and absence of the fuel
together, that make fire possible
We only need to lay a log
lightly from time to time.
A fire
grows
simply because the space is there,
with openings
in which the flame
that knows just how it wants to burn
can find its way.
Show Notes:
* The New Paradigm Leadership Podcast with Rayner Jai Liu
* Eris and The 21st Century | Rayner Jae Liu
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