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The silver lining of podcast post-production is re-listening to a really great conversation. And because that’s what I recently finished doing for today’s episode, I am here to say…this one is a true gem.

Today I’m joined by Deidre Braley—writer, poet, editor, and host of The Second Cup. Her voice is a gift to those of us who are weary, who need to catch our breath from all the hustle and heartache, and who need to learn how to have fun—even if fun looks like putting it on the calendar and then wondering if we remember how to do it.

Deidre shares her journey from classroom teacher to full-time creative through a season marked by motherhood, loss, burnout, and deep spiritual exhaustion. She’ll introduce us to the idea of delight as a discipline and how God has used this to breathe life back into a weighty season. Here’s my favorite thing she said:

 The common thinking around delight is that sometimes if you're lucky, it might happen to you. Like if the circumstances align, you might get this fleeting feeling of delight, and that's a great thing. The same with joy or whimsy or enchantment. They all sound really nice, but when life gets hard those things are typically the first to go. But I have this theory that delight is actually the thing, the tool which keeps us soft…

This is a tender, thoughtful conversation about creativity, healing, spiritual formation, and the small practices that bring us back to life. I know you’ll enjoy it!

* You can find Deidre Braley on Substack! Or Instagram right here.

* And don’t miss her podcast The Second Cup—it’s been a great one to tune into while walking my neighborhood. This season is all about…you guessed it…delight!

* The April edition of So I Won’t Forget comes out this Thursday. These are my most-read essays and the ones that bring me the most joy. I hope you’ll read, laugh, relate, and share with a friend. If you’re already subscriber, this will come straight to your inbox.



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