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Welcome back to It Pays the Bills! This will be our last episode, and I want to thank all of our listeners and readers that have followed along this podcast’s journey.

All good things must come to an end, and while my curiosity about what creatives are doing to survive remains strong, the reality of running a regular podcast alongside my own creative pursuits and full-time work is too much at the moment. Maybe there will be a moment in the future when I’ll start It Pays the Bills up again, but, for now, it’s time to say goodbye.

I’d like to take a moment to say a few thank yous:

* Carys Wynn, who has always been a sounding board on any mad project idea I have, and also has always let me use her Canva. She also designed the logo for the podcast!

* Marissa Landy, for composing our theme tune.

* All of my exceptional and fascinating interviewees.

For our last episode, I thought I’d circle back to the start: I’ve asked my very first guest, Carys Wynn, to interview me. Hopefully I have some interesting things to say!



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