What started as a casual conversation about tea and coffee preferences quickly evolved into one of our favorite episodes yet…a wide-ranging discussion about science communication, tribalism in wellness spaces, and why being wrong in public might be the most important skill we’re not teaching.
In this spontaneous episode, Hannah, Amanda, and Victoria explore the messy middle ground between absolutism and nuance in health conversations. From the Free Birth Society controversy to emerging research on mRNA vaccines and cancer treatment, they tackle why picking sides often prevents us from finding real solutions and why healthcare providers are increasingly facing hostility for presenting evidence that doesn’t fit predetermined narratives.
This episode covers:
* Why some people react dramatically differently to coffee versus other caffeinated beverages (plus Amanda’s near-death experience in a Mexican church)
* The Free Birth Society investigation and the dangerous psychology of birth influencers
* What it’s really like giving birth in a hospital
* A new Nature study showing mRNA vaccines may boost cancer immunotherapy outcomes, and the hostile response it received
* Why scientists being wrong is actually a feature, not a bug, of the scientific process
* The vaccine-autism debate and why refusing nuance hurts everyone
* How tribalism and emotion override facts in health conversations
* The radicalization of wellness communities and what it means for practitioners
Timestamps & Topics
00:00 - Tea, Coffee & Individual Reactions
07:10 - Cannabis Allergies & Adverse Reactions
09:30 - Cross-Reactive Foods & Celiac Disease
17:56 - The Free Birth Society Investigation
24:13 - Birth Experiences & Hospital Reality
30:32 - The Trad Wife Connection
33:01 - Sarah Ballantine & Being Wrong in Public
33:51 - Science Communication During COVID
39:10 - The Marketing of Health Information
39:29 - Dr. Kara Fitzgerald & the mRNA-Cancer Study
46:58 - When “Functional” Becomes Dysfunctional
52:16 - The Myth of the All-Knowing Expert
54:30 - Healthcare Providers Under Attack
56:39 - The Vaccine-Autism Debate
1:01:56 - The CDC Website Changes
1:04:17 - Radicalization & Tribalism
1:07:47 - AI Healthcare Coaches
Resources & Links
Studies & Articles Mentioned:
* SARS-CoV-2 mRNA Vaccines Sensitized Tumors to Immune Checkpoint Blockade - Nature, October 2025
* The Guardian's investigation into the Free Birth Society
* CDC Page on Autism and Vaccines
A note from the hosts: This spontaneous format felt like some of our best work—let us know if you’d like more episodes like this.
