In this episode of the Center for Asian American Christianity Podcast, host David Chao sits down with Dr. David C. Wang (ThM, PhD), the Cliff and Joyce Penner Chair for the Formation of Emotionally Healthy Leaders at Fuller Theological Seminary. Dr. Wang discusses the Global Formation Project, a multi-phase research initiative on spiritual maturity and formation that started in 2015. The conversation delves into the relationship between theological education and spiritual maturity, the impact of knowing oneself in spiritual growth, and the integration of psychological insights into spiritual practices. They also explore innovative practices in theological pedagogy, particularly the use of intergenerational panels and mapping of family trees in church settings to address intergenerational trauma and promote holistic formation. The episode highlights the importance of acknowledging both beauty and brokenness in the journey towards spiritual maturity.