In this wide-ranging conversation, Owen sits down with fellow "reluctant lawyer" Pat Patino to explore the tension between intensity and minimalism, the challenge of getting past the 90% threshold, and what it means to live an impractical life.
Topics discussed:
The realization that intensity might be a feature, not a bug
Why both hosts stopped identifying closely with being attorneys
The Chinese literati and the lost art of being multiple things
Pat's decision to stop practicing law and embrace uncertainty
The coloring book approach to life and work
How Kid Cudi's "Pursuit of Happiness" captures a moment of transition
The spiritual nature of legal practice and dealing with various forms of "death"
Why most legal work is just "Control A, Control C, Control V"
The crumble cookie-ification of professional services
How AI will reshape the legal profession
The importance of human connection in an increasingly digital world
The challenge of proving you're "real" in an age of deep fakes
Guest info: Pat Patino can be found on LinkedIn and at newfangled.legal. Check out his podcast "The Newfangled Lawyer" on Spotify and Apple Podcasts.
