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On this episode of The J-Card Podcast, we’re joined by Nathan, Jacob, & Sam from Oceanic to explore why their live performances might matter more than chasing virality. They dive into balancing social media with creativity, and building community through going live on TikTok. We also cover the highs and lows of touring, from packed Chicago shows to an infamous empty bar in Knoxville, and hear candid advice on landing managers and booking agents. Plus, we wrap up with the weirdest game of all: the “Ocean Draft”!

Info on Oceanic’s tour and music is here, and here they are on IG @oceanicofficial

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⏱️ Chapters:

00:00 - Intro to Oceanic

01:39 - What’s Stuck in Your Head?

05:02 - Why Live Shows Matter

08:17 - Using Visual Elements and Working With A Creative Director

11:30 - Adapting to Venues & Show Horror Stories

17:21 - Dream Show They’ve Played

19:05 - Touring vs TikTok

26:13 - Having to be a “Content Creator”

33:56 - How to Get a Manager and a Booking Agent

38:29 - Tour Announcements

42:29 - Mixtape Segment Begins

43:20 - “Seizure of Assets” by Militarie Gun

45:59 - “Mona Lisa” by Porter Robinson

48:07 - “Living Proof” by The War on Drugs

51:17 - “Speech Bubble” by Flyte

54:46 - “Ego Death at a Bachelorette Party” by Hayley Williams

57:21 - “Knives Out” by Radiohead

1:00:58 - Mixtape Wrap-Up

01:01:25 - Game: The Ocean Draft

01:07:05 - Closing & Plugs

01:08:25 - Season Finale Sign-Off



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