Host: Jude DiMeglio TrangGuest: Dr. A.J. Swoboda
Description:In this episode of The Gift of Need Podcast, Jude DiMeglio Trang is joined by theologian, author, and pastor Dr. A.J. Swoboda to explore the nature of human desire and why our longings—especially when frustrated—can become formative gifts rather than liabilities. Drawing from A.J.’s book The Gift of Thorns, the conversation examines how desire shapes character, how disordered loves lead to pain, and how unmet longings can deepen our dependence on God and bring maturity.
We talk about:• The difference between surface desires and “bedrock” desires that truly shape our lives• Why desire itself is a gift—and how it becomes destructive when misdirected• Biblical imagery of thorns as both consequence and gift• How unfulfilled desires can cultivate humility, prayer, and dependence on God• The role of delayed gratification in maturing our passions• Why unmet needs often lead to codependency and emotional debt in relationships• Reordering desire through experiencing unconditional love and divine pleasure• How freedom, choice, and suffering intersect in a broken world• Why our deepest longings reveal where healing is most needed
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A.J. Swoboda: AJSwoboda.substack.com / Slow Theology Podcast (w Dr Nijay Gupta)
Music Credit:Gabe Kubanda / Damn Plans (Instrumental) © 2021 Kubanda Music
Engineer:Ray Ingegneri, Third Street Productions, Tucson, AZ
