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John Kremer:
“I like what you do with what you are talking about, with the whole idea of that the thought is there, but you just allow it to be. And you allow not just that thought, but the whole totality of what arises.”
Dr Louis Koster:
“Yeah. Also, so this just came up for me while you were speaking, is that when thoughts arise, or to say the simple, when thoughts come up, we always have some kind of an intervention going on. Either we shy away from them, or there's a resistance, or we have an interaction, and that actually shapes the experience of the thought, but also, how it then starts to escalate.”
“And so, truly allowing and letting be for whatever is arising, then it's like, then it's exactly as it is. And what I've found is that then, at some point, that escalating nature of the thinking gets arrested. It just stops. So, it is my attention that keeps it going. And attention can have different forms. There's a feeling of, well, I don't like this, or there's an interaction of some sort that then starts to shape then as well your experience of life.”
John Kremer:
“A lot of what happens in that interaction is where you get sort of stuck.”
Dr Louis Koster:
“Exactly.”
John Kremer:
“And that again was, you talk about that in your Talking Diaries sometimes, and you've talked about things that are sort of like that. And then, you then just let go. You allow for the totality of what arises, and that gets rid of the stickiness.”
Dr Louis Koster:
“Yes. And then, at some point, it's like the mind runs out of its course. It has got nothing to chew on. And when that's happening, then there is what we call, there's a peace of mind. Well, actually, there is a sense of peace because there is no longer that engagement with the mind, and we are freed up. The attention that we are is freed up.”
“And what then arises or then inside of that, what arises is the awareness of being, and that is then immediately recognised as your true reality or as one's true reality. That is what is real, not a thinking.”
John Kremer:
“Right. We don't want any of that thinking.”
Dr Louis Koster
“Well, it is interesting, but we take it too seriously, so to speak.”
John Kremer:
“Yes. But I know you talked about it in some part of your diary that if you fight it... And in fact in the diary on June 1st, you talked about the demons you were fighting. Literally, the demons you were fighting were the thoughts that you were having.”
Dr Louis Koster:
“Yes.”
John Kremer:
“And by fighting it, you sort of stick with it, and the thought takes over, and that's all there is.”
“And part of what you said is that you were saying it, true liberation was to be found when the demon... When you found that the demon never existed.”
Dr Louis Koster:
“Exactly. What we often call a demons... Or to speak from my own experience, when I was a young person, I had a stammer, and that was not so much the problem, but the problem was how people were talking about it. And that gave me an experience of Self that I identified with, and that then started to have its own dynamic in social interaction. What I was avoiding, with whom I would hang out with, what I would do, or what I would not do. It limited the sense of the possible, what I saw was possible in the expression of my life.”
“Now, what I can say now is that at that time, I did not have the capacity, or I was not equipped with the insight that this experience of Self that our mind creates and is located inside of duality, is not real.”
“That sense of self or the personal Self, as you might call it, doesn't exist. It is an illusion. It is an appearance that we take for reality. It's just an idea. But where the problem arises is that when you get into it and you start to converse from that, that experience, and then, you build a story, then that becomes your reality. And so, it's all made up basically. It's not real.”
“So, you could say that the personal Self that we tend to construct in our narrative, that's not real. It's an illusion. And there is merit in realising that because if there is not the awareness that it is just an idea, that it is not reality, then that is what determines your actions. It determines your choices, and it shapes the experience that you have both of yourself and life. And that is not necessary.”
“And that is what I see is the possibility of this conversation.”
Thank you for listening to The Talking Diaries podcast featuring Dr. Louis Koster.
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Dr Louis Koster, distinguished humanitarian, poet, bestselling author served for over ten years as a medical doctor for “Doctors Without Borders” and other humanitarian organizations in trouble spots across the globe. For his humanitarian efforts, Dr. Koster has received numerous awards and has appeared on radio, television, and news shows.
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