In this episode, Tom and Tim talk about peer pressure, starting with Air Jordans, fake Air Jordans, about parenting through peer pressure (for parents and children both), music, and how being cool even affects our writing and art making.
The episode finishes with Tim reading “Mrs. Silly” by William Trevor.
Enjoy!
Loose timestamps, for you all who like to skim around.
0:00 - 5:00 - Peer Pressure and Air Jordan knock-offs
5:30 - 8:30 - Adult peer pressure and parenting groups
8:30 - 10:40 - Hoodies, jeans, Led Zeppelin
10:45 - 12:00 - Bon Jovi
12:00 - 13:00 - Books
13:00 - 16:30 - Peer pressure and our daughters
16:30 - 17:30 - No one will remember this
17:30 - 18:30 - More about pop music: ambient music in the bathtub
18:45 - 20:45 - Jon Bon Jovi again, as a scrappy innovator who wasted his talent
21:20 - 24:45 - Secret ambient music and many different high school sub-communities. New Age music from the university radio station.
24:45 - 27:00 - Ministry, contours of our identity, etc.
27:00 - 29:30 - Parent peer pressure again, stage managing a kid’s experience
30:00 - 31:00 - Peer pressure and hang ups about being seen as cool in art practice
31:00 - 34:00 - Tom asking ChatGPT about my art and finding a way to not feel the peer pressure
34:00 - 39:20 - Tim on having fun writing and not having fun writing. Just have a good time doing it and not thinking about what people will think of it.
39:20 - 40:20 - People who don’t seem to care about impressing their audience.
40:25 - 43:00 - Do our communities matter?
43:20 - 47:00 - A story about finding $50 and the peer pressure of whom to donate it to.
47:00 - 48:30 - Valuing art
48:30 - 50:15 No peer pressure in history, religion, poetry
50:30 - 1:11:00 Tim’s reading corner: Mrs. Silly by William Trevor
