**Part 1 of 2**



I am joined by renowned UFO researcher & author, Grant Cameron for over 2 hours and 30 minutes to discuss;



His new book "Beyond Managing Magic"

How the book changed and why

Secret keepers in UFOlogy

Tom DeLonge's journey

Current state of Disclosure

Why it isnt 'ET'

And much much more



Grants website; https://whitehouseufo.blogspot.com/

Grants youtube; https://www.youtube.com/c/whitehouseufo



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Enjoy folks,



Andy