Description

• Gillian makes known her discomfort chairing the conversation as a white woman and describes her experience of reading the book. She outlines her hope for this conversation to lead to action.
• Azariah describes how he came to write the book, initiated from MPhil dissertation research ten years ago. He describes how he realised many Black and Brown clergy were facing the same challenges as him and were also suffering in silence and suffering in silos.
• Azariah describes the format of the book - that of the larger institutional journey and his own journey within that. He tells the story behind the name of the book and outlines the argument and case of the book.
• Azariah describes how the book as has been received by different people in the Church of England.
• Azariah explains why he wrote the book in the style that he did.
• He describes how he has practiced self-care during the writing, publishing and promotion process. 
• Gillian reflects on healing through narrative medicine
• Intersectionality within the church is discussed, Azariah describes the solidarity he has found with others who have felt excluded.
• Azariah provides some specific suggestions about what churches can do.
• Azariah describes the difference between introvert, ambivert and extrovert black.
• Gillian and Azariah reflect together on the power of sharing stories. Azariah suggests different contexts and practices for good conversations and sharing stories.
• Azariah highlights the need for education, to do the work and to actually read the book.
• Gillian reflects on the need for radical disruption for necessary change.
• Azariah outlines how he changed the ending and what he thinks is needed for change to happen.