As Joe Biden leaves office, we're taking one last look at his presidency, and what we've heard said about him since 2020. The New Yorker's Evan Osnos joins Sarah to recap his interviews with Biden over the years and discusses his legacy.



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Show notes:

By Evan Osnos:

Joe Biden's Last Campaign

Joe Biden: The Life, the Presidency, and What Matters Now

Wildland: The Making of America's Fury