When some rockers get old they support and become the authoritarians they railed and rebelled against. Rich and Bill can't quite figure it, although they try; Also Bill highlights Van Atkins, "the Tom Dowd of gospel music," according to Bill. Atkins is the successful, chief engineer of Crossroads Music and another example of homegrown talent... self-rising and spreading far and wide in the world; Midnight Climax, the CIA mind control acid experiments.
