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In this episode of Blocklayer Podcast, Kenzi Takahashi, Sachi Shiokava, and Diksha Desai sit down with Chris Spadafora, Founder of BadgerDAO, to talk about one of crypto’s longest-running goals: making Bitcoin a first-class citizen in DeFi.

Chris breaks down his mission to bring Bitcoin liquidity into decentralized finance — not as a narrative, but as usable collateral across a growing set of DeFi applications. We get into decentralized governance, crypto tribalism, and the tradeoffs that show up when you try to coordinate a community at scale while still shipping products.

BadgerDAO is an open-source DAO with a native token, BADGER, used for voting on community proposals. Chris explains how governance actually functions in practice, what makes proposals succeed or fail, and why incentives matter more than ideology when you want decentralization to work.

Expect a candid conversation on the formation of BadgerDAO, hard-earned lessons from the founder journey, and what it’ll take for Bitcoin to keep expanding its role inside DeFi.

This episode was supported by Diksha Desai and Sachi Shiokava.