Description

Justin shares how he created Winamp and sold it to AOL at age 20 and tells us about his current project, digital audio workstation (DAW) Reaper.

Chapters

• 03:16 - The genesis of Winamp
• 11:07 - Winamp whips the llama's ass
• 14:06 - Nullsoft
• 16:27 - Winamp as a platform
• 23:16 - The business side of Winamp
• 24:11 - What was it like to work at AOL?
• 27:06 - Why Justin doesn't use streaming services
• 30:03 - Justin's website
• 32:06 - Why Justin created Reaper
• 35:48 - Shipping v1 of Reaper
• 37:02 - Reaper is built by just a few people
• 38:53 - Cross-platform codebase
• 40:48 - Reaper as a platform
• 43:42 - Future of Reaper
• 44:40 - AI in Reaper
• 47:09 - Questions lightning round
• 53:36 - Book recommendations

Show notes

Where to find Justin

• Mastodon — justin@cockos.net
• Justin’s website
• Ask Justin Frankel

Books

• Masters of Doom by David Kushner
• Nona the Ninth by Tamsyn Muir
• The Three-Body Problem by Cixin Liu
• Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
• Flatland: A Romance of Many Dimensions by Edwin A. Abbott

Podcasts

• Interview with Justin on the Internet History Podcast

Software

• Winamp
• Reaper

Listen to this podcast on our app!

• Metacast, a podcast app with transcripts: metacast.app
• Builders Gonna Build on Metacast
• Metacast: Behind the Scenes on Metacast

Get in touch!

• Send us an email at hello@buildersgonnabuild.com
• Ilya's LinkedIn
• Arnab's LinkedIn