We sat down with Jake Knapp and Jonathan Courtney, the hosts of the Jake and Jonathan (f.k.a. Product Breakfast Club) podcast where they used to ramble about all things product design, Lord of the Rings, toilets, and other important things.
Jake Knapp is a former Google designer, an investor, and a New York Times best-selling author of books "Sprint" and "Make Time". Jonathan is the CEO of the product design company AJ&Smart.
Chapters
- 00:00 - Cold open with the theme song
- 00:29 - Welcome and guest introductions
- 01:06 - What is the Jake and Jonathan show
- 04:17 - How Jake and Jonathan met
- 08:01 - Berlin bootcamp and working together
- 09:51 - Recording first episodes on the floor
- 10:22 - Mario Kart while podcasting
- 10:41 - Naming Product Breakfast Club
- 13:06 - Why they started a podcast
- 15:02 - Scheduling nightmares
- 16:38 - The Unscheduled CEO
- 19:08 - Unstructured time and creativity
- 22:14 - Jake's blog post about leaving Google
- 24:44 - Sprint and Make Time books
- 28:57 - How Jake's writing routine works
- 33:25 - The power of moments in podcasting
- 38:22 - Elon Musk's text messages
- 42:10 - Listener growth and audience building
- 47:30 - Podcasting as content marketing
- 51:48 - Video vs. audio podcasting
- 56:12 - Editing and production approach
- 1:00:30 - When to stop a podcast
- 1:05:42 - Advice for new podcasters
- 1:12:00 - Golden handcuffs
- 1:17:40 - What's next for Jake and Jonathan
- 1:22:00 - Goodbye and the theme song reprise
Show notes
Software
- Descript -- a tool that can help you edit audio similar to editing text in a word processor.
- Adobe Audition -- a digital audio workstation (DAW) by Adobe.
- Riverside -- a tool for recording podcasts and videos in high quality.
Books
Podcasts
Other Mentions
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