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In this episode of Forging Forward, Adam sits down with Derek Hales, founder of NapLab, to break down one of the most misunderstood pillars of mental health: Sleep.

Sleep isn't just about feeling rested. It's about emotional regulation, decision-making, impulse control, anxiety, depression, and long-term brain health. Yet most people are guessing their way through it with caffeine, willpower, and bad advice.

Derek brings a data-driven perspective from years of testing mattresses, sleep environments, and recovery variables, while Adam connects the dots between sleep deprivation and what he sees every day in therapy: heightened anxiety, low mood, poor focus, burnout, and nervous-system dysregulation.

If you're working on yourself but still feel foggy, reactive, or exhausted — this episode might explain why.

About the Hosts:

Adam Thorne

Psychology Today Profile: https://www.psychologytoday.com/profile/1441965

Andy Kemp

Psychology Today Profile: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/therapists/andrew-andy-kemp-bozeman-mt/879276