Elane talks with writer (and longtime friend) John Birdsall about professional cooking, the AIDS Crisis, strawberries, holiness, life in a upscale deli, and much more. John is the author of author of The Man Who Ate Too Much: A Biography Of James Beard.
Cocktail: Brown Derby
Theme music: "Moving On (Feels Pretty Good)" recorded by Benton Stokes, available wherever you stream music.
