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"But the thing here, you know, way, way back, 2,000 years ago, the charts is still standing. I mean to say people, the church are the people, it's not the building. We are the church and we are still ongoing and proclaiming the word of God and inspiring other people. Without the Spirit of God, we may not be able to do this. It is so difficult for us to preach the gospel of Jesus if we don't have the Spirit of God within us."