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"So individuals decide to go become a gang member, which of course then that's a group. Individuals, you know, can deter. Usually, usually things don't happen alone though. Usually there's more than one person involved. But. Leaders even can be lawless. Cartel. Cartels are lawless. Cartels are lawless. What else? I'm trying to think who else? Gangs, Excuse me, even recently there's criminals, not criminals, but political parties where they endorse lawlessness."
