Episode #14 of the Darmstadt On Air podcast is dedicated to composer-performer collaborations. It is hosted by the Austrian double bass player and improviser Uli Fussenegger (*1966) who has been involved in the Darmstadt Summer Course as a tutor for many years. As a soloist and former longtime member of Klangforum Wien Uli has been collaborating with many different composers and has experienced a variety of approaches on how to work together. He talks to composer Andreas Eduardo Frank (*1987) for whom close collaborations with musicians and other artists are an essential part of his practice. Starting from two of Andreas’ recent projects, he and Uli talk about co-creation and collaboration, band playing as a training, authorship, and about being the pilot.