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As the pandemic heads into a third year, we've all learned a lot. In the performing arts world, despite Omicron and other COVID setbacks, producers, presenters and artists are reinventing the rules for live performance.

Josh LaBelle, head of Seattle Theatre Group, has been on the frontlines when it comes to writing new rules for live arts, whether that's a touring Broadway show or a rock concert. 

He talks with co-host Vivian Phillips about what he's learned, what keeps him up at night and why he stays optimistic.