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The conversation covers karaoke, the Finnish Agile community, bad agile practices, agile transformations, fear, and personal advice. Sander Dur and his guests Sally and Aley Sloley discuss their dislike for karaoke and share stories about karaoke experiences. They praise the Finnish Agile community for their commitment and investment in creating a high-quality conference. They also discuss the negative impact of bad agile practices and the importance of sticking to true agile principles. The conversation delves into the concept of agile transformations and the need for continuous improvement rather than a definitive end state. They address the fear and resistance to change that often hinders agile adoption. They share personal experiences and offer advice on embracing experimentation and overcoming fear. The conversation concludes with a discussion on their mission to stop bad agile practices and the importance of staying true to one's beliefs. They also talk about using birds as metaphors in Sally's work and the importance of happiness in their careers. They share their fears and the impact of Agile on their lives.

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