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In this episode of The Value Factory Podcast, Nick Anderson sits down with Mike Sharrow, CEO of C12, to unpack what leadership looks like when uncertainty is permanent. Drawing on his work with thousands of CEOs around the world, Mike explains why waiting for “normal” to return is a losing strategy—and why disciplined planning and conviction matter more than ever.

They dive into values-driven leadership without platitudes, the danger of drifting on instinct alone, and why businesses—not institutions—are often the strongest force shaping culture and communities. From long-term planning and accountability to stewardship and economic reality, this conversation stays grounded, practical, and honest.

This episode is for leaders who want to build resilient companies, lead with intention, and create value even when the environment keeps shifting.