In this episode of Ayahuasca Podcast host Sam Believ (founder of www.lawayra.com) has a conversation with Paul F. Austin. Paul is a leading pioneer in the modern psychedelic movement, founder of Third Wave, author of Mastering Microdosing, host of The Psychedelic Podcast, and head of the Psychedelic Coaching Institute. He focuses on psychedelic education, microdosing protocols, and training practitioners to help scale the responsible use of these medicines in the modern world.
We touch upon topics of
00:01–00:44 Introduction to Paul F. Austin and his work
00:44–03:14 Paul’s early LSD experiences and conservative upbringing
03:14–04:17 First microdosing protocol and founding Third Wave
04:18–07:08 Convincing his parents and guiding his dad through a mushroom journey
07:09–10:01 Parent–child healing and psychedelic experiences together
10:02–13:29 The “third wave” of psychedelics explained (indigenous → LSD era → today)
13:30–15:45 Microdosing as the safest path to legalization and cultural acceptance
15:46–17:29 Stepwise dosing and retreat philosophies
17:30–20:16 Why different psychedelics require different approaches
20:17–22:09 Psilocybin tolerance and retreat spacing strategies
22:10–27:29 Microdosing LSD vs psilocybin vs wachuma
27:30–30:48 Vine-only microdosing and adaptogenic effects
30:49–35:34 Psychedelics vs SSRIs and the “crutch” metaphor
35:35–41:39 Importance of psychedelic education and practitioner training
41:40–45:38 Addiction, cannabis dependence, and integration
45:39–49:15 “CEO medicine” and psychedelics for conscious leadership
49:16–52:27 What Paul is excited about in 2026 and the future of psychedelics
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Find more about Paul F. Austin at thethirdwave.co and follow him on social media at @PaulAustin3W
