In this episode of The Courage to Lead Interview Series, Allan Sicard speaks with Ben Pronk DSC — former Commanding Officer of the Australian SAS, co-author of The Resilient Shield, and co-host of the Unforgiving 60 podcast. Ben shares his earliest experience of leadership (surprisingly, in junior cricket), the influence of his father’s belief that “everything is figure-outable,” and why leadership is a learnable skill — not something you’re simply born with.
The conversation moves through Ben’s transition from infantry to special operations, the realities of leading in complex environments, and the often-unspoken loneliness of command. Ben reflects on Afghanistan, the importance of peer support, the need for humility and vulnerability in leadership, and why certainty can be dangerous in a polarised world.
Ben also discusses organisational identity and cultural transition during his time commanding the SAS, plus the role of family, stability, and relationships in shaping a meaningful life. He closes with a standout three-part guide for any leader:
Educate. Back yourself. Fail.
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